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I have been an indoor grower for close to 25 years and am a founding member of Overgrow. Back when Soul and Sly of Brothers Grimm were already selling genetics world wide we were still Trading Clones freely of elite strains.
My mentors were people like A/B Hyb, Nesta, and Vic High.I am now a legal Caregiver and we grow in 100% organic Super soil.My focus now is cubing and stabilizing elite crosses that hang around in clone form only. I created jacks Cleaner the Potency in Life saver and discovered Micanopy Moonbeam that makes up Blue moon.
We now have breeding rooms in Canada and the US to duplicate our succesfull crosses.
Something we feel is unique is the fact that most of our breeding projects are documented online.
Doc was the first person to see what we were doing and give us the chance to go public.I remain very active and am online daily to answer any questions.
Welcome to the grow show,
Since Pistils was nice enough to work his ass off and change all the settings and file sizes I wanted to get right to work.
First what is TGA?
I'm Subcool. Some of you may follow my work behind the camera and some may not be familiar. I have been a grower and toker for 30+ years. I lead a team of breeders in a search for better hybrids. I was invited to introduce our new strains for 2006. I am lucky enough to be engaged to MzJill so we work closely as a team.
We have several proven hybrids and also new creations in the works, our main goal when making a new strain is to either to combine the characteristics of two strains or to replicate as close as possible a clone only phenotype and provide these to the Medical Cannabis Community. When combining strains it is usually to work in better or different taste such as a high potency variety such as Jackâ€™s Cleaner using Blueberry, or adding purple color to a high potency strain such as Apollo-13 using Black Russian like we did with our Sputnik lines. When combining hybrids there is always variation but with proper selection and a good genetic pool and lots of tracking new hybrids can be created that are remarkably stable and just phenomenal flavors and potency combining the best of both parents. Jill is an extremely accomplished hydro grower and her first donation to TGA was the Black Russian and the Orange Velvet, recently she regained her Sweet tooth #3 and her First cross Jillybean is an amazing combination of Orange and Pineapple and Mango with a short dense plant structure that delivers large yields. Sunycheba is our Purple division, working with the Purple Black Russian male and JCB. He is responsible for Lemon Freeze, Neon Super Skunk and Double Purple Doja just to name a few. Badboy works with Hash Plant and Killer Queen. I focus on new male selection and finding the perfect father for JC. My Greatest joy comes from teaching others the art of Dank if you have any grow questions, Subcool, MzJill and TGA can be found right in these forums.
Lets get started with our strain details.
Sputnik 1.0 (Apollo-13 X Black Russian)
Apollo-13 has long been a favorite of mine and I enjoy turning people on to it and have them trapped at my place for a few hours to stoned to drive. Once we finished the Black Russian project with that strains amazing ability to add color I was inspired to create a Purple Apollo just to see if it was possible. The resulting hybrid produces two distinct phenotypes one thatâ€™s purple and one thatâ€™s not. The purple variation starts changing color about week 5 and fades from light pink to vivid magenta. Smelling like Blackberry jam with a hint of spice it produces large semi dense colaâ€™s with bright green stems to accent at times almost black/purple buds. The high is extremely fun and motivating, it seems to elevate my mode when I smoke it. The White variations are incredibly potent and the high just smacks you in the face and then you just stare at the wall for a few hours. It is a shorter type plant with rock hard Apollo like nugs. It also does very well outdoors finishing early in PNW avoiding the rains.
1. Phenotypes-2 main variations one purple and one white
2. Height -Medium stretch
3. Yield-Heavy/ Easy trim
5. Best way to grow-Topped early and trained to a large bush.
6. Harvest Window-60 days
7. Sativa/ Indica 60/40
8. Hybrid-Genius X P75 X Blackberry X Ak-47
9. High Type-happy, invigorating, motivating, stimulating
10. Smells like Blackberry jam with a hint of spice/ Has a deep rich Berry taste with a slightly peppery after taste
11. Maybe the most potent Purple Iâ€™ve smoked!
First let us look at a colored Phenotype.
This was a no brainer for our Indica offering. The heavy Skunk that has been with me along time from Squid. The Black Russian male has added a bit of spice and coloring that is trully amazing.
Neon Super Skunk (NSSK)
I have been growing a Super Skunk for many years as my weight strain. It stays low and compact and has a nice grapey flavor and I have seen 63 ounces from 2k with her. Suny mentioned to me we were lacking in Indicaâ€™s and wanted to cross Super Skunk with the Black Russian Purple male. He pollinated one SSK mom and we grew out a test batch and OMG. Purple tinged ultra funk. Warning High Odor Content! This is not a stealth plant but the cola formations and number of bud sites is amazing.
Other than Stank her only bad trait is she will not compete with taller strains, she grows low and slow almost growing sideways instead of upwards. It almost has to many fan leaves and we found our selves thinning some fan leaves to allow light onto lower buds.
1) Phenotypes-Dark Green with Purple hues and Maroon finishing leaves
2) ) Height- Short & Thick
3) Yield- Very heavy
5) Best way to grow- Large topped plants with long veg
6) Harvest Window-60 days
7) Sativa/ Indica20/80
8) Hybrid- Super Skunk X Blackberry X Ak-47
9) High type- stoney, mellow, chill, body high, potnap
10) Smells like-Skunks and berryâ€™s
11) Did I mention it stinks?
We just harvested 5 females and the smoke from each slightly diff pheno is amazing. Orange skunk and pineapples. We were also ripped afetr a few bowls
Jillybean ( Orange Velvet X Space Queen)
Jill was lucky enough to be gifted this amazing Orange Skunk and they day we smoked the finished bud we knew we had to outcross it with our Space Queen male. You donâ€™t really have to be a master breeder to figure out Orange and Pineapple Mango will be a good combination. The resulting outcross is remarkably stable and is close to a 50/50 representation of the parents. Topped only once in grows into a nice short bush with lots of side branching and multi heads. Flavors range from Orange, Tang, Candy, Mango, and Apple. The cross works really well in SOG or SCROG. Although it was created as an outcross to Cube the OV every female I have seen is a keeper in its own right. Very large stems and huge top colas make this an easy strain to grow in any medium.
We have 5 females in our bud room and 4 could be clones there so similar same height same growth speed and all have that Dank Orange smell. Very good mood elevator and general euphoria are experienced while high on this cross. Lime green with Vibrant Orange Hairs with temperature drops it can turn a deep burgundy to maroon.
1. Phenotypes -Very stable Orange-Mango 50/50 Phenotypes
2. Height-Short and Stocky
3. Yield-Very Heavy/ Easy Trim
4. Indoor/ Outdoor
5. Best way to grow-Single topping forms multi heads
6. Harvest Window-8 weeks
7. Sativa/Indica 30/70
8. Hybrid-Unknown Orange Skunk X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
9. High type-Happy, mood enhancing, humorous, energetic
10. Smells like orange skunk or tang/ Taste so much like Dreamcicles you will not believe it!
11. The bubble from this strain is like concentrated orange goo
Jack the Ripper JCf1 X Spacequeen
As good as JC bx was, I learned a lot in 6 years breeding and growing almost full time and I was confident I could find a better male using patterns to find the recessive drug traits. So instead of continuing a cube I wasnâ€™t 100% satisfied with the outcross I decided to start again using two different lines to establish the best. JTR is the first outcross to be completed using a Spacequeen male; the second will be a Cindy99 outcross. The goal here is to establish the best possible outcross to cube back to JCf1. The cool part is the outcrosses are sometimes better than the parent strains, I feel this is the case with JTR. The Lemon tart of JC has combined with the candy mango flavor of the Spacequeen to create a resinous marvel. Maintaining JCâ€™s heavy structure and potency the female dominated this cross with the exception of adding some sweet mango flavor and smoothing out JCâ€™s harsh toke. I will be doing my best to enter this strain in the 2006 Cannabis Cup.
1. Phenotypes -Moderately stable with heavy Jacks Cleaner traits.
2. Height-Tall with long stretch/ Colas swell late
3. Yield-Medium / Moderate trim work
4. Indoor/ Outdoor
5. Best way to grow- Topped and placed in bud early due to stretch.
6. Harvest Window_8-10 weeks
7. Sativa/ Indica 80/20
8. Hybrid-Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
9. High type-Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia
10. Lemon mango pine hash/ Taste like lemon hash
11. 100% Full melt extreme potency
Vortex (Apollo-13 X Space Queen)
My oldest head stash crossed with my new favorite. Both have similar pungent, rotten fruit, baby poo smells. Both carry heavy potency and copious amounts of resins. This combination of Cannabis Freaks wonâ€™t win any vigor or yield awards but for serious collectors of recessives this is a must have. Expect weird mutations and incredibly sticky freaks of nature. This hybrid tends to grow like a vine and need serious tending to achieve decent yields. I yielded just over 4 Ounces in soil using lots of plant bondage and training. This strain is offered mainly to collectors who have experienced the high or unique smell of either parent. This is not a strain for someone new to indoor growing or large scale grows looking for big production. It is a strain that with luck you can find a once in a lifetime mom for head stash. Brothers Grimm meet Vic High in a genetic soup that is one for the history books. Look for colas to dreadlock out and almost appear seeded they swell so full.
1. Phenotypes -Large variation with phenotypes like both parent strains
2. Height-Short, vine like, weak stems, long internodal spacing
3. Yield-Medium/ Very hard to trim
4. Indoor Only
5. Best Way to grow- Wide sagging bush with hundreds of bud sites. Lots of stakes and string
6. Harvest Window-45-55 days
7. Sativa/ Indica 80/20
8. Hybrid-Genius X P75 X Romulan X Cindy99
9. High type-heart racing, energizing, confusing, stoned, ripped curled under, stupidity
10. Smells like Mango Snapple with lemon/ Taste like sweetened lemonade.
11. Very unique Cindy like plant with a bizarre twist, very potent
Double Purple Doja (Pinky X Black Russian)
Black Russian has rapidly become one of the most infamous Purple strains around due to its amazing color, looking like Barny the dinosaur Purple! Even though some people regard this as the Holy Grail of Purple pot we knew we had the genetic pool to improve her and Sunycheba was up to the task. He was gifted the blackberry dominant Black Russian male, as well as Pinky our most colorful potent Sputnik 1.0 Female. With these he has created our replacement for BR and upped the potency while maintaining a 75% chance of a colored Phenotype. The not purple phenotypes are huge and lean toward an Apollo influence. The purple mommaâ€™s are epic in looks and potency with a great uplifting high and a mouth watering berry flavor.
1. Phenotypes- 2 Variations, Purple and Green
2. Height- Medium/Thick vigorous and large
3. Yield-Heavy Yields/ medium trim work
4. Indoor Outdoor
5. Best way to grow- top early grow big
6. Harvest Window-8 weeks
7. Sativa/ Indica 50/50
8. Hybrid-A-13 X Black Russian X Black Russian
9. High type-fun, happy, uplifting, motivational, inspiring
10. Smells and taste like Blackberryâ€™s
11. Itâ€™s freaking Purple!
JC bx X JCB
This is one Suny worked with on his own. He was so impressed with the size of JCbx and the lemon berry flavor of JCB he decided to kind of mix up two very distinct JC hybrids. The JC brings potency as it does with anything it touches. I am going to have to assume its Vicâ€™s massive Blueberry thatâ€™s adding all the size and girth. The smell is Lemon Berry and I think it has a better smell and flavor than JC bx. Itâ€™s damn sure bigger than JC f1. The buzz is very Sativa and speedy. Itâ€™s an extremely tall hybrid so make room and grow her with other Sativaâ€™s. Some Phenotypes may go close to 100 days but the normal is around 70 days. Like Haze she has more than one harvest window. This plant is very similar to the lambsbread I smoked in Negril but grown in better conditions. It also has a similar high to Speed Racer a famous JCB Phenotype.
1) Phenotypes-Medium variation in harvest times and Sativa influence.
2) Height- Very Tall
3) Yield- Very Heavy but all in last weeks
5) Best Way to Grow- Top and bud early
6) Harvest Window-70-100 days
7) Sativa/ Indica 90/10
8) Hybrid- Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Blueberry Back Cross
9)High type- Speedy, trippy, intense, paranoid , motivating, pain relief
10) Lemon berry, hash, tart, Lemon Heads candy
11) May be the largest JC hybrid yet.
Other Established Subcool &TGA strains
Jacks Cleaner is a mutation found in a sack of gift seeds from Skoosh and the mutation was out crossed with a Jack Herer male.
Jacks Cleaner Blueberry
First public strain, used in the creation of Lifesaver and LSD.
Strain created to Honor my best friend who died in Amsterdam 4 years ago,
This combination of Killer Queen, Ortega, and Cindy99 is a Cherry hash favorite and established favorite.
Hash Plant X Ortega X Cindy99 this strain stands out for huge yields and towering colas.
Apollo-13 meets Ortega X C99 is a cosmic potency soup.
A copy of one of my favorite breeders best work. With pain staking care we selected the best female from 5 amazing female and pollinated her with our proven Space Queen male.
An epic creation and one that is sold out and we are busy re working the cross.
Any questions you have feel free to ask.